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[McGINNIS]  Hello, and welcome to "Clean Skies Sunday," a weekly half-hour look at energy issues facing Washington and America.  I'm Susan McGinnis. 

A stunning defeat for Alaskan Senator Lisa Murkowski as she concedes her Senate seat to Tea Party candidate Joe Miller.  What could that change mean for Alaska's energy future? 

The greenest of green buildings -- we'll show you all the energy-efficient bells and whistles on this Manhattan skyscraper. 

And what's black, white, and green all over?  We'll show you the first environmentally friendly police car. 

First, in the news this week, an offshore oil platform explodes in the Gulf of Mexico about 80 miles south of the Louisiana coast.  "Clean Skies'" Tyler Suiters has more. 

[SUITERS]  The Deepwater Horizon was on everyone's mind, as word of the Vermilion fire spread.  But the two Gulf operations are actually quite different.  Unlike the Horizon, the Vermilion 380 is, in the words of its owner, Mariner Energy, a more established facility. 

[PATRICK CASSIDY, MARINER ENERGY]  It is a production platform and not a drilling rig.  I think some of the initial reports were that there was a drilling-rig explosion.  And those were erroneous.  We don't have those types of operations.  This isn't a blowout. 

[SUITERS]  Crews contained the Vermilion's flames about 12 hours after the fire started.  The Horizon burned for days.  Another difference noted during emergency updates on Thursday, exactly what was burning on that platform. 

[GOVERNOR BOBBY JINDAL, (R) LOUISIANA]  The company suspects that what is burning now is what was actually in storage.  They had about 100 barrels of condensate on the platform in storage. 

[SUITERS]  That petroleum had been contained and stored, not continually flowing from a broken well.  Also, the Deepwater Horizon was drilling 5,000 feet below the Gulf surface.  The Vermilion was operating in roughly 300 feet of water, a depth that isn't covered by the current federal deepwater moratorium. 

[ROBERT GIBBS, WHITE HOUSE SPOKESPERSON]  There is a process at the Department of Interior around the existing deepwater moratorium -- hard to match those two issues up, based on the fact that we don't know a ton at the moment. 

[SUITERS]  As we learn more about the Vermilion fire, the political fault lines over offshore drilling could deepen.  Tyler Suiters, Clean Skies News. 

[McGINNIS]  Also, Senator Lisa Murkowski's stunning defeat in the Alaska primary could mean changes for energy legislation.  She's the ranking member on the Energy and Natural Resources Committee and has worked well with chairman Jeff Bingaman.  Last year, they negotiated a bipartisan bill through the committee, a bill known as ACELA.  It includes a national renewable energy standard.  "Clean Skies'" Dan Goldstein is in Alaska with reaction to Murkowski's loss and what it means for the state's energy and environment future. 

[GOLDSTEIN]  In an election season of political shockers, this has to be one of the biggest -- Lisa Murkowski, senior Republican on the Energy Committee, will no longer be a senator after January.  Earlier in Alaska here, I spoke with some of the members that she used to work with.  Here's what they had to say. 

[MARY ANN PEASE, OWNER, MAP CONSULTING]  Senator Murkowski was at the forefront on all energy issues.  She had a very substantial role in the energy committees.  She played a critical role in looking at EPA regulations, cap and trade, and all of those issues that mean so much to us here in Alaska.  And, unless those policies and procedures are appropriately placed, we will not be able to develop the oil and gas that we so much need here in our state.  And I think it puts many things in jeopardy -- it puts TAPS in jeopardy, and it puts the gas pipeline and its development in jeopardy.  I think it's so critical that there's a reaching across lines and that this is done appropriately in order to sustain Alaska's future, and Lisa Murkowski was on the right path for that. 

[JIM EGAN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, COMMONWEALTH NORTH]  Lisa was an outstanding advocate for Alaska for energy issues, in particular, I think, with her ability to come up with solutions that were acceptable across the board within the Energy Committee, within the Senate Energy Committee.  And I believe she was in line for a seat on that committee to guide the energy conversation in the United States and to have Alaska be part of the conversation in the front line. 

[GOLDSTEIN]  Now, Republican Joe Miller will face off with Democrat Scott McAdams, the mayor of Sitka, in November.  As for Murkowski, she plans to return to the state once her term is done in January.  In Anchorage, I'm Dan Goldstein, Clean Skies News. 

[McGINNIS]  What could be the nation's first offshore wind farm got the green light from the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court.  It ruled in favor of granting the Cape Wind Project local and state permits that it needs to start putting up turbines off of Cape Cod.  The decision helps clear the way for 130 turbines to be built in Nantucket Sound, a project that has met stiff opposition from the start.  Construction is supposed to begin within the year.  Critics say turbines will be noisy and damage pristine views.  Supporters argue Cape Wind will bring jobs, clean energy, and a healthier environment.  Still needed -- approval from state regulators for the utility National Grid to pay more than double current rates for the wind farm's power. 

As the EPA prepares to start regulating greenhouse gas emissions from some industrial plants, a new poll says Americans want the EPA to crack down on these sources.  The poll, done for the Natural Resources Defense Council, which is in favor of regulation, finds a majority of respondents want government to regulate power plants and refineries that emit greenhouse gases, and to do more to hold those emitters responsible for their emissions linked to climate change.  Legislation on limiting carbon emissions is stalled in Congress, so the EPA is proceeding with regulation under current law.  But senators from both sides of the aisle are working to delay or bar EPA action. 

Well, right now, an emission-free turbine is churning under the waters of the East River in New York City, bringing power to some nearby businesses.  Now, the East River has not been known to be a source of renewable energy, but as "Clean Skies'" Lee Patrick Sullivan reports, a Virginia company wants to change that, one hydrokinetic turbine at a time. 

[SULLIVAN]  In this little shed along New York's East River is a big idea.  Verdant Power says they may have the next "wave" in renewable energy.  Six turbines have been placed on the river floor, turning the water's current into electric current. 

[ARIELLA ROSENBERG MARON, NEW YORK CITY OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY]  The Verdant Power pilot is exactly that, it's a pilot.  It's the first of its kind of these free-flow turbines that can move to generate electricity.  The first in the world, so, first of all, we're learning about how this particular technology works.  Many of the world's major cities are actually on rivers and on estuaries and on other forms of bodies of water that can perhaps be used to create electricity. 

[SULLIVAN]  Think of them as underwater windmills.  They've been powering this New York City grocery store and this parking garage.  The pilot program is teaching Verdant about hydrokinetic energy and about the power of the East River, which has a current that is so strong, it broke one of the turbines.  That's because the East River isn't actually a river, it's an oceanic estuary, meaning, just like the tides, this "river's" current is constant and predictable. 

[DEAN WHATMOOR, VERDANT POWER]  We can predict, within a very high degree of accuracy, how much power we're going to be producing -- tomorrow, three weeks from now, 10 years from now, 100 years out -- by simply looking at tidal charts. 

[SULLIVAN]  Verdant Power sees an aquatic farm of turbines, providing enough energy to help supplement the grid during peak times. 

Now, even if the bed of the East River was covered in turbines, it still would only generate a fraction of the energy that a large power plant like this one provides.  And it's not for every river.  The waterways that separate Brooklyn and Queens from Manhattan are extremely fast.  And there are only a few waterways in the U.S. that could generate enough power. 

Verdant's next project is to put the turbines in the bed of the Saint Lawrence River in Canada.  They expect to be making commercial electricity by the year 2013.  Lee Patrick Sullivan, Clean Skies News. 

[McGINNIS]  Well, Verdant right now is conducting all of these tests in very populated areas, but it is hoping to perfect its underwater turbine technology so that it can achieve its real goal, which is providing power to developing nations. 

Well, last year, about 10% of U.S. electricity came from renewable sources like the sun, wind, and the rivers.  But an island nation in the North Atlantic, just a few hours' flight from the East Coast, gets virtually all of its electricity from renewable sources.  "Clean Skies'" Tyler Suiters traveled to Iceland last year and shows us a close-up look at a nation that is setting a clean-energy example. 

[SUITERS]  The landscape alone tells you something is very different here in Iceland.  The topography is the result of ancient volcanic eruptions, and the countless hot springs speak of geothermal activity still under way today.  There is water, water everywhere.  The island country is surrounded by the North Atlantic, and 11% of the land is covered by glaciers.  And it's the combination of these geographic blessings -- all the water above ground and all the heat below -- that makes Iceland's energy profile utterly unique. 

[SIGURDUR GISLASON, UNIVERSITY OF ICELAND]  We have volcanoes here, we have a lot of topography, and it rains a lot, so it means there are waterfalls all over, and rivers, rushing from the highlands to the lowlands.  You know, we have harnessed some of this energy, but still there's a lot to be harnessed. 

[SUITERS]  And Iceland is putting its geographic gifts to good use.  Two years ago, the European Environment Agency projected that from 2009 through 2012, Iceland's greenhouse gas emissions would fall below the required levels under the Kyoto Protocol.  In other words, the country would, indeed, meet its Kyoto targets.  The EEA also pointed to the transport and manufacturing sectors as the largest contributors to Iceland's most recent emissions increases. 

[OLAFUR RAGNAR GRIMSSON, PRESIDENT OF ICELAND]  We need, even in Iceland, where there is an abundance of clean energy, we need energy savings on a big scale.  We need to get rid of the gasoline cars, as I have mentioned before.  We are also working on the hydrogen-based sort of shipping energy solutions.  Definitely, we have to work on that. 

[SUITERS]  In his speeches, I've heard President Grimsson refer to his childhood here in Iceland, a time when the country got all of its electricity from fossil-fuel generation, and all of those fossil fuels were imported.  Right behind me is a diesel power plant, one that is now shuttered.  Today, Iceland is energy independent, in terms of its power generation, tapping its natural resources -- the rivers here and, of course, geothermal energy -- getting 100% of its electricity generation from renewable resources. 

[EIRIKUR HJALMARSSON, REYKJAVIK ENERGY]  In the first half of the last century, we were furnishing our homes with oil and coal, with the smog over the small town here that Reykjavik was then.  But what happened then is that we started plugging into geothermal for house heating.  In later years, we've also started producing steam-generating electricity from geothermal, and it's about 80/20 now, 80% of the electricity is hydro, about 20% is geothermal.  And that is increasing a bit faster than the...than the hydro, and what we are really looking at now is, how can we develop our energy revolution? 

[SUITERS]  As Hjalmarsson said, here in Iceland, hydro is king.  In fact, the country's first hydroelectric plant dates back almost a century.  You're looking at the original equipment, still in operation today. 

[GRIMSSON]  The water resources, which the different weather patterns bring to our country, and the circulation of the evaporation of the water -- up into the clouds and down again -- means that the rivers in Iceland keep on flowing, and have been doing so since before the country was populated more than 1,000 years ago. 

[SUITERS]  But Iceland's experts say their country's greatest energy potential is what lies beneath, and that is part of the reason for this -- Reykjavik Energy's Hellisheiði facility, what the company calls the world's newest and most modern geothermal plant. 

[GISLASON]  We have tapped a lot, but there is much more to have.  You know, you have great potential, and maybe with different methods.  I mean, the high-temperature geothermal wells that you saw today, they go down about 2 kilometers down into the Earth.  You know, there is technology now to build, to drill much deeper, to get more heat. 

[SUITERS]  As an island nation, obviously, water is an abundant resource here in Iceland.  In fact, 85% of this country's electricity comes from hydroelectric generation.  But the very same resource that powers the country in such large part is also tied to its largest sector, in terms of carbon emissions. 

[HJALMARSSON]  When we look at the fossil fuel consumption in Iceland, it's almost entirely in transportation.  We've got about 1/3 in our fishing fleet, 1/3 in transportation on land by cars and so on, and about 1/3 in the airline industry.  Regarding ships, we have development ongoing here in Iceland in recycling carbon. 

[SUITERS]  That carbon recycling project -- CarbFix, as it's known -- is Iceland's latest effort to reduce CO₂ emissions.  The testing involves capturing CO₂ at the Hellisheiði plant outside Reykjavik, then combining that CO₂ with saltwater, producing solid carbonate minerals -- rock, essentially.  It is ambitious research, already proven in the lab, and potentially commercially viable in the next 5 to 10 years.  Still, it's a curious project for Iceland, given that the country's electricity generation is already so clean. 

[HOLMFRIDUR SIGURDARDOTTIR, REYKJAVIK ENERGY]  Even though the emission from the geothermal power plant is not high, we are willing to put some effort into find out whether it is possible to build or demonstrate near-zero power plants.  It's the issue, you know, as you are aware, of green energy, and if we can do that, make that energy even more green. 

[SUITERS]  So it's not surprising that the CarbFix project has international interest, as Sigurdardottir said.  There is potential for major emissions reductions, possibly in the next decade -- that is, if a country has enough saltwater and basaltic rock on hand, yet another geographic advantage for Iceland.  But perhaps the country's best advantage involves the commitments and the ingenuity of the 310,000 people who call these 40,000 square miles home.  In Reykjavik, Iceland, Tyler Suiters, Clean Skies News. 

[McGINNIS]  Well, more than half of U.S. states right now have what are called renewable energy standards.  These are laws that require a certain percentage of their electricity is developed from renewable sources.  Last year, the House passed a bill that would implement a federal renewable energy standard.  The House has not taken any action so far.  Well, GM brings its new all-electric Volt to showrooms later this year, a car that GM, at least, is betting will recharge the auto industry.  Clean Skies News got an exclusive look at where the Volt is being made, this General Motors plant in Hamtramck, Michigan.  During its restructuring, GM had massive layoffs here, but it also spent more than $300 million to retrofit this plant to make the Volt.  Now, workers are back on the assembly lines, hoping the Volt will jump-start the auto industry.  The asking price for the car -- $41,000, with the cost eased by a $7,500 federal tax credit. 

Coming up, the world's greenest skyscraper.  We'll tell you the meaning of LEED Platinum and how the Bank of America tower won that rating.  Plus, BMW teams up with Carbon Motors on a green, clean crime-fighting machine. 

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[EVAN WOLF, GULF COAST CLEAN UP, LOUISIANA NATIONAL GUARD]  When I signed on with the National Guard, I did it to help protect America from our enemies, like in the Persian Gulf -- not to clean up an oil company's mess here in the Gulf of Mexico. 

We'll do whatever mission we're given, and do it well, but America needs a new mission, because whether it's deep-drilling oil out here or spending a billion dollars a day on oil from our enemies overseas, our dependence on oil is threatening our national security. 

The thing is, a clean American energy plan would cut our dependence on oil in half.  It's more power for America, made here in America, putting our people to work using all the resources we have.  Some folks in Washington say now's not the time for clean American power.  I got to ask, if not now...  when? 

[WOMAN]  Congratulations!  I'm sure you'll have many happy years here.  Except for you, because you'll be gone three years from now, struck down by the same disease that got your father.  Sadly, it could have been detected early with a simple test. 

For a list of tests every man should have, go to ahrq.gov. 

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[McGINNIS]  Welcome back.  September 20th kicks off World Green Building Week across the globe -- it's an effort to raise the profile of green, high-energy-efficient buildings.  Well, earlier this year, a billion-dollar building in New York City got the designation as being the greenest skyscraper in the world.  It got what's called Platinum LEED certification.  We take you on a tour. 

[JEFF BARKER, BANK OF AMERICA]  When friends ask me where I work, and I say I'm at the new tower on 6th Avenue and 42nd Street, One Bryant Park, they say, "Isn't that the one?"  They may not know LEED Platinum, per se, but, "Isn't that the one with all the environmental aspects?" 

[McGINNIS]  Bank of America's Jeff Barker is talking about the company's new headquarters at Bryant Park in Manhattan.  It was recently designated among the greenest of green buildings.  Clean Skies News got a tour of this 55-story green giant from the bottom up. 

[JORDAN BAROWITZ, DURST ORGANIZATION]  What we do down here is heat and cool the building. 

[McGINNIS]  Jordan Barowitz of the Durst Organization, architects of the tower, showed us these 1,200- to 1,500-ton chillers that cool the building remotely by computer, saving energy, with air conditioning a top energy user. 

[BAROWITZ]  We can isolate air conditioning by floor, by multiple floors.  There are readers all over the building that are constantly sending back information and evaluating the temperature on the tenant's floor so they can be adjusted. 

[McGINNIS]  They all sort of run at different levels. 

[BAROWITZ]  They run at different levels -- on a hot day they're running, the biggest one. 

[McGINNIS]  And during cooler nights, tanks like this one go to work. 

[BAROWITZ]  So, at night, it makes ice.  And then in the morning, instead of running a chiller plant, we can just burn this ice off with running a pump over it. 

[McGINNIS]  That can cool the building for several hours in the morning.  And this tower makes its own power.  Barowitz says a 4.6-megawatt natural gas plant on site makes energy sense. 

[BAROWITZ]  There's no energy loss in the transmission of the electricity, and second and more importantly is, we capture the waste heat from the combustion of the natural gas, and we put it to use in the building. 

[McGINNIS]  A building that now gets about 70% of its power off the grid.  These features are just some of the reasons One Bryant Park was the first commercial high rise to achieve LEED Platinum certification by the U.S. Green Building Council.  Platinum is the cream of the crop among the Council's Certified, Gold, Silver, and Platinum levels.  They recognize homes and buildings as designed to achieve energy savings, water efficiency, carbon emissions reductions, better air quality, and more. 

[SCOT HORST, VICE PRESIDENT, U.S. GREEN BUSINESS COUNCIL]  Platinum is just about as far as you can go in buildings today. 

[McGINNIS]  Scot Horst is Vice President of the U.S. Green Business Council, which developed the LEED system. 

[HORST]  And the more of these things you do, the higher you get certified. 

[McGINNIS]  That has more companies seeing the need to go LEED.  Consultant Nico Kienzl, at a sustainability conference in New York, said building owners have little choice but to pursue LEED. 

 

[KIENZL]  It's almost a requirement now, in terms of market expectations.  If they don't do a LEED project in New York City, they don't really have a marketable product. 

 

[McGINNIS]  The Visionaire in Battery Park City is known as the first LEED Platinum set of condos in New York City.  The residents here have floor-to-ceiling windows, so they control the window shades automatically.  and we think the residents here take green living very seriously.  We found an all-electric Tesla parked right out front. 

 

More building owners find the cost of certification worth it -- of the $2 billion total cost of the Bank of America building, the owners shelled out an estimated $40 million to $60 million to go LEED Platinum. 

 

[BARKER]  We will find this building to be a tremendous investment for the Bank of America. 

 

[McGINNIS]  As do owners of other green buildings, including the Platinum LEED Verdesian in downtown Manhattan and the Duke Energy Building in Charlotte, which also requires tenants to pursue LEED certification.  The benefits go beyond energy bills.  Barowitz says a cleaner environment leads to more productive workers, and that's a selling point to companies. 

 

[BAROWITZ]  If you tell them that the employees are going to be more productive, there are going to be fewer sick days, they're going to be happier and their productivity will increase 4% or 5%, that's something that gives you a competitive advantage in the market. 

 

[McGINNIS]  But while LEED is highly regarded, with more than 35,000 buildings now registered, not all agree it's the best way to go.  It has come under fire for the cost to business in energy modeling, commissioning, and more.  Some complain about the complexity of complying.  Others say a LEED rating is too easy to get and question the environmental benefit. 

 

Not so at Bank of America, where other bells and whistles include elevators that know workers' destinations before they get in, floor-to-ceiling windows that maximize natural light, electronic shades that minimize glare.  Ceramic dots baked into windows deflect the sun's heat.  Meters track CO₂ in the air here, which is 95% clear of particulate matter.  And no worker is far from one of these. 

 

[BAROWITZ]  All the building has these registers. 

 

[McGINNIS]  Adjustable registers in the floors, more efficient than ceiling vents, let employees control their own air flow. 

 

So the women come out and make it warmer. 

 

[BAROWITZ]  Exactly, women make it warmer and the men make it cooler. 

 

[LINDA KAPLIN, ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT]  It's bright and it's beautiful.  And I love it. 

 

[McGINNIS]  Employee Linda Kaplin enjoys the vent, the view, and the big picture, too. 

 

[KAPLIN]  If we don't take care of our planet, it's not going to be around, and it will affect future generations.  So whatever we can do now is wonderful. 

 

[McGINNIS]  While a return on investment is a growing motivation for buildings to go green, many hope the bottom line for companies goes beyond the bottom line. 

 

[BARKER]  Building a building like this really is just the right thing to do.  And that's where the social responsibility comes in. 

 

[McGINNIS]  The next big trend in building efficiency is the zero-carbon, or carbon-neutral, building, although experts say reaching that goal is prohibitively expensive for the foreseeable future. 

 

Well, still ahead, the next time you get pulled over, it may be by a green squad car.  We'll tell you about new clean-burning police cars that are just down the road. 

 

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[BOY]  Mom!  Mom! 

 

[WOMAN]  What? 

 

[BOY]  We can't find Ichabod. 

 

[WOMAN]  What?  [Thump, vacuum grinding] 

 

You don't have to be perfect to be a perfect parent.  There are thousands of teens in foster care who would love to put up with you. 

[CARYL STERN]  My name is Caryl Stern and I'm the president of the U.S. Fund for UNICEF.  The floods of Pakistan have left nearly 4 million children at grave risk of dying.  These children have lost everything.  They need clean water, medicine, and shelter to survive.  UNICEF is there, but we can't reach every child without your help.  Please donate $10 now by texting "Floods" to UNICEF, or visit unicefusa.org. 

[MAN]  [Whispering]  Okay, when I give you the signal, you two run left of the flag.  I'm going to cover you from that tree over there.  Remember, don't go for the flag unless you know the coast is clear -- okay?  [Cell phone rings, vibrates]  [Paint gun shot] 

[MAN]  Agh!  [Yelling]  Go!  Go!  Okay, stop, enough, enough! 

You don't have to be perfect to be a perfect parent, because kids in foster care don't need perfection -- they need you. 

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[McGINNIS]  Welcome back.  The next time you're navigating through a traffic accident scene or you see someone else, of course, getting pulled over, think about this -- police vehicles use 1.5 billion gallons of gasoline a year and produce as much as 14 million tons of CO₂.  But, as "Clean Skies'" Dan Goldstein explains, those totals may be coming down. 

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[GOLDSTEIN]  The old black-and-white squad car is going green.  This is the Carbon Motors E7, a custom-built police car that'll be rolling off an assembly line in Connersville, Indiana.  Instead of a commercial chassis with cop components bolted on, everything on this new cruiser is designed with law enforcement in mind, from the in-dash terminal to the molded rear prisoner compartment. 

[DAVID COUNCELLER, POLICE CHIEF, CONNERSVILLE, INDIANA]  We need a car that, everything's got a place.  And you get in that Carbon car, and everything's got a place.  You've got a computer that's built into the dash.  You've got a camera that's built in.  The same way with the radar units, they're all built in to the front and the back.  Everything's right there. 

[GOLDSTEIN]  These vehicles are designed not to cost any more than the squad cars they're replacing, but it's what's under the hood that makes this car a clean, green crime-fighting machine.  Officials with Carbon Motors this week signed a deal with BMW to put these clean-burning diesel engines inside these new cop cars.  The 240-horsepower diesel engines, which are made in Austria, will average about 35 miles a gallon, compared to less than a dozen for a conventional V8 police cruiser.  They'll also emit about 40% less greenhouse gas emissions. 

[IAN ROBERTSON, PRESIDENT, SALES AND MARKETING, BMW]  This is a perfect match.  It underscores our commitment to sustainable mobility and supports Carbon Motors in their commitment to deliver low-carbon law enforcement vehicles with outstanding performance. 

[GOLDSTEIN]  Carbon Motors officials, along with Indiana's senior Senator Richard Lugar, are pushing for the Department of Energy to finalize a $310 million loan to the company, which will open a shuttered Visteon plant to build the new squad cars.  The plant could bring as many as 10,000 jobs to Indiana, if it gets the loan from DoE. 

[WILLIAM LEE, PRESIDENT, CARBON MOTORS]  The $310 million loan from the Obama administration is critical in order to put Americans back to work and our collective commitment to do that.  So we're working very collaboratively, in a positive manner, with the Obama administration, to accelerate the production of the E7. 

[SULLIVAN]  Carbon Motors says it already has orders for 13,000 vehicles from departments around the nation.  The company says, if it gets the loan from the DoE, the new squad cars are going to be rolling off the assembly lines and into your rear-view mirror as early as 2013.  Dan Goldstein, Clean Skies News. 

[McGINNIS]  And that does it for us for this edition of "Clean Skies Sunday."  Enjoy the rest of your weekend.  I'm Susan McGinnis.  We will see you right here next Sunday morning, and until then, we'll see you at CleanSkies.com.  You can also find us on Twitter and Facebook.  Have a great day.    

 

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